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What makes gender appeal to people?

People seem to place a lot of expectation on gender. Two words with a load of meaning stored behind each letter. Words that express great expectation, beliefs and convictions of centuries all bundled up and thrown at each individual soul. A criterion of matter on the matter of beauty, commonly defined and expressed.

Masculinity, maleness defined by the masuline beauty of males.

Femininity, femaleness defined by the feminine beauty of females.

Male or female?

Male against female?

Two principles...

Two positions...

Two mindsets...

set in stone by nature, the laws of cellular biology!

 

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What really defined the principles? Observation of nature shows us each day that nature lives by the rule of supporting the rule beyond rules, the exception of all. Human nature needs to label and specify to understand and be able to deal with the world outside. Confronting the unknown, the unlabeled, the unsuspected brings forth the deepest rooted fear of humankind - unease.

 

Nevertheless that curiousity killed the cat, people like to explore and conquer. Human nature is to blame for that, or maybe just the turn about face of insecurity is demanding its share of the whole - balance. Reaped what was sown at chance?!

 

Nature has its ways, the all mighty has its mind, to shove human nature into man's and woman's faces and down their throat no matter how much they wine and refuse to acknowledge the absence of labels which imprison all freedom and enchain peace to the bottom of the icy pit of hell.

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Comments (56)

  1. mythoughts77

    Yuki…. it’s all about what you choose.
    Its always about choices
    Your faith is a choice, your sexuality is a choice
    whether you want to live a moral life of immoral one is a choice.
    I have my beliefs and choose the things from within that regime. sometime I go outside the box and in my belief that is a sin. You can call it what you want but it works in keeping this world a good place to live in.

    June 30, 2014
    1. miss-ranty-pants

      I utterly disagree, to have faith is a choice, sexuality isn’t its inherent, applying a morality to sexuality is an aspect of faith, not nature or rationality.

      June 30, 2014
      1. yayuki

        Sexuality is a choice on a deeper level than you are thinking now. It is not changeable from without but within… example someone who only has sex with women will call themselves heterosexual right, someone who only has sex with their own gender will call themselves homosexual….. then one day something happens, situation, emotional attachment, whatever and they discover the other side works as well…. now 95% of the population end up in conflict and question their lifes, their choices, their preferences and wonder if they are the opposite…
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        A person can never change something for another person only for themselves. Someone who loves sex will have plenty whichever way. Someone who doesn’t won’t. It says nothing about character or their education it is a subconscious choice. Just like with gender that is ok, unless people use it with an intent that has nothing to do with sexuality.
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        Some people have inclinations and tendencies that origin from an emotional injury which resulted in a conviction that installed a need and made them prefer something and that plays into their sexuality. Like for example a cruel streek (simplified cruel streek because it has a chain for about 20 things that lead backwards through convictions, belifs, expectations, experiences and so on).
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        People have a choice. There are people(gender both) who prefer women but their life partner is male. Now normally that wouldn’t work right? Wrong! It doesn’t work it they do it for society, it doesn’t work if they do it for their parents, it doesn’t work if they do it for religion, it doesn’t work if they do it because they belive the other is wrong. It only works it they want to live with that person on a very deep level. It is called ‘overriding (forgot the second term)’ and means a wish so deep it changes the rules set by oneself without disturbing their chosen order.

        July 01, 2014
        1. miss-ranty-pants

          Its instinctive, the choice is relative to lust, desire if that is a nicer term, people’s sexuality is often repressed by culture that forced them to be on or other or just one when they are the other – or both – or indeed none. Eventually the person becomes more honest rather than makes a choice.
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          Most people at least like sex, but that is and says little about their character. Choosing to act on ones sexuality does not make them immoral.
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          Sure some people’s sexuality comes from damage, a lot of sexuality comes from people’s formative years, I’d agree with that.
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          I have to say that plenty have extra-marital sex and the partner never finds out, often even dose not suspect. The average marriage lasts 2.9 months I think – from memory, most of the time then, I would say that people pair for the wrong reasons, sometimes sex, sometimes desperation, pregnancy, all kinds of reasons. The initial draw is usually sexual, if they do ont mature, and the relationship matures it will end. and does. This is communication, and maturity.

          July 02, 2014
          1. yayuki

            Same meaning other description To become to honest to oneslef is one of the choices one can make. Not all choices are of the “I’d rather have strawberries than cherries” (comparative choice based on preference) or “I want that shirt” (strong decision based on strong impression through impulse sense sight)…. there are decisions we make in our mind that we aren’t even aware of, we only get the results consciously “feeling unconfortable around someone all of a sudden” which means he did, said, or behaved in a way that made our subconscious mind decide we have to feel this way. If we train oursleves to be closer to ourselves we can get more more information “indian tribes called it listen to your spirit” psychologistv call it get in touch with your inner self. I am not absolutely sure it is instinct, there might be a relation because instinct had that ring of feeling more than thought…
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            I agree but moralty was not what I aimed at, I was aiming at decisions that one perosn makes that make sensitive beings (themselves or others) sick, as in all kinds of sick… guilt sick, bodily sick, soul sick, emotional injury sick…unless you mean a personla moral that applies to only one individual…
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            I agree.
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            I agree and I love how you analysed it…

            July 02, 2014
    2. yayuki

      choices are great, and those who have a flexible mind know they can choose, the others don’t know, so they can’t try and they feel pressured to keep everyone else in the place they stuck themselves in, to make this world a better place people have to want to change and before they can want to change they have to learn they can and to learn they can they have to allow themselves the thought that things can be different…
      The human mind is one of the most complicated places…

      July 01, 2014
      1. miss-ranty-pants

        I think a lot of people are forced into picking heterosexuality, basicly I think in terms of sexuality, and sex people should be left to choose for themselves.
        Yes the mind is complex, sorry for the late reply I’ve lost my track on comments

        July 04, 2014
        1. yayuki

          Yes, people should which is one of intentions for posting on this subject. To many people feel like they have to be a certain way, no matter where they idea came from, tending to the origin of the idea that cause the ideal is not helpful… Important is to make people understand that they don’t have to live up to the ideal not even their own…
          The most important I think is exactly that people realize they are not limited to prior choices and convictions but are free to choose at every single second in their life. No matter how many aspects enter the decision or how difficult the subject… people shoudln’t just force themselves to have sex because others expect them to have it, or because they themselves think that at this age, in this situation it is normal to have sex, nor should they choose their partner by the judgement of others like: wow my friend will never believe I can have a girl this beautiful (who is the dominating reason here? the friend, the girl, envy, beauty, self-flattery…) Who gets hurt in the process? Does it matter at all?

          I guess people just plain and simple know to little about themselves because they are always led to believe that to focus on the input from outside is the important and only way… and people talk to little about their own thoughts and expectations mostly because they are not aware of them before but only after something goes against them, before they just expected them to be shared or simply didn’t take the time to think it through…

          THat’s ok mrp I try hard to not forget a comment myself and I loose track of them sometimes, too, especially if the amount rises and one can’t simply reply from the comments-feature… complexity of the mind is awesome to explore don’t you think?

          July 06, 2014
        2. miss-ranty-pants

          I think that’s mainly a male thing, women do date for looks but that drops off as we get older, it does seem to take longer for men. I think everyone gets hurt in the process – if they admit it or not, sometimes greatly sometimes it’s more subtle. Sex is ego, need, fears all kinds of things, individual as the person, to some its nothing, others profound.
          I spend a lot of time in my mind, it’s nice to hear what others have in theirs, it’s the only way to make progress in life I think, otherwise I’d be doing what I always did and arguing with myself

          July 07, 2014
          1. yayuki

            hehe – if your mind gets boring you can always come visit mine lol I spend a lot of time in my mind, too. Ideas and thoughts can be so interesting, especially if one realizes that thoughts seem to come back somehow every generation has a main focus…
            hm I don’t know perhaps, but there are women, too who just try to jumb you without introduction… just the let’s shag… ain’t that scary someone you never saw before trying to drag you to a department store toilet or some old obviously unwashed, wild haired guy following you in and from a supermarket yelling all the time he wants you, wants your…, wants to… you, all variations until he collapses really, actually screaming he will give you all his money for it if you just consent…. weird… that’s when I usually think what it wrong with people nowadays, I ought to write a book about these people

            July 07, 2014
            1. miss-ranty-pants

              There are some of those, but I do wonder how many, I’ve had quite a few one nighters, outside of work, they tend to be very patchy, much better to have a relationship with the man I think.

              July 07, 2014
          2. yayuki

            I don’t know… I simply try to ignore people approaching me like that, wouldn’t want to even consider the possibilty… yuck… I mean would you react positive to someone trying to drag you somewhere that you don’t know? Who would? Are there people that actually jump the opportunity or why do these people feel encouraged to act like this? Would that be a well read topic.. I mean everybody has met the weird somewhere, right?

            July 08, 2014
            1. miss-ranty-pants

              True there are wierdos, everywhere, even at home.

              July 09, 2014
          3. yayuki

            One can’t help wishing it weren’t like that

            July 09, 2014
            1. miss-ranty-pants

              I think its that we are raised to think life is fair, its not, it just it, there’s the main problem.

              July 09, 2014
          4. yayuki

            Sometimes it seems to be at other times it doesn’t seem to be… I guess it is balance of some sorts that I havent’ figured out yet

            July 09, 2014
            1. miss-ranty-pants

              At least you are looking for one, is there?

              July 09, 2014
          5. yayuki

            I think I see the outlines but not the foundation

            July 09, 2014
  2. wirelessguru1

    Say what!?

    June 30, 2014
    1. yayuki

      Don’t feel like playing today, spikey.

      June 30, 2014
  3. miss-ranty-pants

    In the animal kingdom creatures often display homosexual tendencies, to say that a man should be this and a woman should be that in a sexual sense is nothing more than a tradition, there isn’t a thing to say that a person can’t have a completely different sexual orientation than what is the ‘norm’ the truth of sex is that people experience it in all kinds of forms and express it that way. And what is wrong with that, nothing.

    June 30, 2014
    1. peacefulthinking

      I am just glad she thinks my tractors sexy.

      June 30, 2014
      1. miss-ranty-pants

        I laughed out loud

        June 30, 2014
        1. peacefulthinking

          July 01, 2014
          1. yayuki

            lol

            July 01, 2014
    2. yayuki

      Yes, indeed that is correct the norm is ‘no norm’ now how many people can live with that?
      The only wrong I can think of the result of problems that change actions into hurtful tendencies which met develope and end in injury and death.

      July 01, 2014
  4. notathoughtgiven

    There is nothing with labels per say. It is the expectations behind the labels that is the problem. Men are so act this way, women this way or any other label for that matter. When someone or something strays outside the expectations then instead of changing our expectations to match, we label it as abnormal. Since it is abnormal then it has to change to fit back into our expectations. Instead maybe we should the courage to change our expectations and realize we had it wrong all this time. Better yet drop the expectations and face the uncertainty that comes from having no expectations to guide us.

    June 30, 2014
    1. yayuki

      Hm, interesting, don’t you think that attaching a label, automatically attachs a defintion to it that represents not only the observation itself but also a big amount of convictions, beliefs and experiences. I think it is a problem that people label others. The label itself is a judgement. But you are right as well, the expectations add to that and make matters worse. People accept very fast that other have to change something, but when it comes to something about themselves they simply prefer denial because it is easier and allows things to remain the same. We need to find a way to encourage the belief that change is not a synonym for worse or troubles. We need to find a way to allow people not to label. The human mind has a label to connect things: people live in a world that favours the picture of the strong masculine male, of course groomed and well-dressed (the strong masculine male without the biological male hair) let’s call him the masculine anti-ape, the expectations of course he is well behaved, strong, a good… Seeing someone that meets the description makes the interested person automatically apply the catalog to the being and makes them easily feel disappointed that the object doesn’t live up to the label…

      July 01, 2014
      1. notathoughtgiven

        Well attaching an label does attach an definition. After all what good is an label without a definition to it.
        I could say that “I am person that sees my gender as being different than the gender assigned to me at birth from my sex” or just say I am transgender. So labels make conversation easier by being a shortcut for the definition.
        There is nothing wrong with labels. It is just that people expect everybody in the group with the label to act the same way. So maybe the solution is not worry about labels but treat people as individuals not as a member of a group. The label is part of me but not the whole of me.

        July 01, 2014
        1. yayuki

          I do understand, but why go over labels to decide to ignore them to get know the individual… Why define yourself as something at all? I don’t need to define myself by anything else but ‘I’ or ‘me’ or more general I would accept ‘being that temporarly lives on earth’ other than that I’d feel limited somehow… I don’t mind people limiting me to however they need me to accept me but I don’t feel the need to limit them in return…why it would only hinder me to regard every person I meet as the accumulation of convictions,beliefs,experiences,expectations and resulting behavioural patterns based on feelings,experiences and observations resulting in emotional impulses based on spirit(….), you’d call individual, which they are…

          July 01, 2014
          1. notathoughtgiven

            Well ok if you are a being that temporarily lives on Earth, then aren’t you limiting yourself by using labels in that sentence. We have the labels 1.) being 2.) temporary 3.) lives 4.) Earth So Yayuki what does being, temporary, lives and Earth mean to you? I have my definitions but they may not match your definitions. You could tell me and then I could expand on it. I am not ignoring the labels you used but trying to understand you as you see yourself. I am ignoring my expectations of what those labels mean to me and deferring to your expectations. Would that be limiting you even though labels are used?

            July 01, 2014
            1. yayuki

              hm, so for you basically every word is a label, like calling milk milk instead of white fluid would be both ways labelling it… For me that isn’t the case…. a label is not a term in general, it is a term that is used to exclude and include information with intent – like fat guy – which is understood as foul, idiot, eating all day or transgender – which is often understood as sexually confused stupid person with childhood issues, female – which is often used to refer to brainless, emotional, near tears all the time, weak, offspring producer, no matter that these words have a positive meaning as well, you simply don’t know the intent of the speaker but the intent is present all the time yoou just don’t know which one … this is the reason I don’t like these terms called labels even if generally considered it is actually quite correct to say transgender for example if one regards the roots of the words - I never heard people use the words being, temporary, live or Earth in conncection with a bad second meaning, as in used as euphemism to say something entirely else in either real life or art…. labels for me are only words that have a meaning like that… the other words can be understood in different ways – being can be any lifeform or a verb, can emphasize life and all and can be understood with complete different philosophical, biological or whatever background it still would be my choice because I don’t disagree with any of the possible interpretation of the word that I know of

              July 01, 2014
          2. notathoughtgiven

            For you labels are words that can be interpreted in a negative way and therefore should not be used. Yes I can see from that point of view why you do not like them. While to me all words are labels in that they have a meaning attached to them. When labels are used in a negative way then they shouldn’t be used. To me we are arguing the same point but from two different points of view.

            July 01, 2014
            1. yayuki

              I think it is pretty close but not the same…It leaves one question: Do you make a difference between words that have a negative meaning and those who haven’t at all? And if not why? If yes, only in a philosophical way or do you consciously avoid or use them?

              July 01, 2014
          3. notathoughtgiven

            Words can have any meaning. Just because I haven’t seen a meaning that is bad for a word doesn’t mean it cannot have one. To me it depends on the context and my motivation. Ideally I would try to avoid the use of words that could be negative but not always good at that. Let me ask you this. Would you avoid calling me by my uesr name because it could have a negative meaning or would you go ahead and call me that because that is what I call myself and therefore it is not a negative meaning.

            July 01, 2014
            1. yayuki

              Interesting and difficult question: courtesy would demand I call you by the name you chose, but that wouldn’t be important. A chosen user name is more often than not a compromise. The fact that you (general meaning) chose it doesn’t mean it can’t be negative, you could be subconsciously insulting yourself because you are angry, frustrated or dissatified with yourself or have a psychic disease that makes you put yourself down, me calling by it then would be water on mills or better a weight on the millstone you carry. You could also be making fun of the word and the meaning but then again on a more basic level you have to think it fits yourself somehow, so you have to think the nagtive as well as the positive. Unless of course you are unaware of the meaning which would require me to inform you, since one person is responsible for his actions taken and not taken… No I would not call you by it until I figured out why you chose it and then it would depend on how much it means to you to be called by this name.

              July 01, 2014
          4. notathoughtgiven

            Now your over thinking it in my opinion. Should I just get your attention by saying “Hey you” until I determine if Yayuki is demeaning to you or not. Its a name and I picked it for myself so address me by it otherwise you are being limiting and negative to me by deciding for me what I should be called instead of respecting my wishes.

            July 01, 2014
            1. yayuki

              That is your opinion not mine… I don’t expect people to call me yayuki. And why would you wish to get my attention with a ‘hey you". If there was a reason to call you by name, and that itself is nearly nonexistent on a blog, I’d simply choose a name for you that I can remember and that only if I have a lot of interaction with you (still general meaning)

              July 01, 2014
          5. notathoughtgiven

            That is true, that is my opinion not yours. Call me anything you want, just don’t expect to respond by what you call me, assuming that you have a lot of interaction with me. That is also my opinion.

            July 01, 2014
            1. yayuki

              What I say is that people don’t need names to communicate, they are nothing more than an accumulation of letters… it is far more complimenting and thoughtful to get a name from someone else from what they feel about you then some whatever amount of letters that means nothing because you have chosen it for whatever reason, most possibly because it was the closest to what you wanted but the one you wanted was already taken or you simply couldn’t express what your thought in a word…

              July 01, 2014
          6. notathoughtgiven

            That is your opinion doesn’t mean I share it or think it is the right way. Your assuming you know why I chose that name instead of asking me. Which to me is negative and rude. But then again that is my opinion.

            July 01, 2014
            1. yayuki

              I think you are placing way too much on names, there are people who can’t remember names you know… so you just declare them impolite or self-focused, oh no you called it negative and rude… negative and rude is only someone who insults people nobody else…

              July 01, 2014
          7. notathoughtgiven

            I think you place too much emphasis on you being right. I didn’t say it was negative and rude not to remember a person’s name. What did I say is assuming why I pick that name is negative and rude. Your insulting me by assuming you know why I chose that name and by your own definition then you are negative and rude to me.

            July 01, 2014
            1. yayuki

              I don’t care about right, cause there is no right or wrong… my point was that I don’t know why you chose that name because there are too many possibilities to know and so why use it since it has no face no meaning…. the follow up point was: people who just use your name are not necessarily the better ones to talk to… the other point was: only people you have personal connection to should be called by name because only then it means something for both parties involved and isn’t just trying to suck up to someone by buttering them up… You have no idea maybe someone else would just call you by your bad name and laugh themself silly about your stupidity or worse use it with the insult behind it and you just wouldn’t realise and consider them a polite friendly huggable being…. that would be really negative much more than someone pondering your name… btw if you have a problem with the result why choose such a name at all? People who choose a so called bad name are attention seekers, why cater to them at all? That is a more interesting thought model, more provoking, right?

              July 01, 2014
          8. notathoughtgiven

            You do care about right. You keep hammering your point that you think is right. Well its been nice discussing your opinion.

            July 01, 2014
            1. yayuki

              actually you are the one that is trying to hammer into my mind that your opinion is the better one… I simply offer a thought model to think about and if you consider that to be my opinion than yes we are discussing my opinion as well as yours… I haven’t heard mcuh of an opinion from your side so far, you are simply accusing my thought model as rude and negative approach… well sorry you see it that way but I won’t change my so called opinion just because you want me to… this is my blog and I like to write my thoughts here not yours… and I don’t see how your opinion is so much better than everyone else’s opinion… for me your world is too small and that is all I can say about your opinion

              July 01, 2014
  5. shadow-storm

    Going beyond gender in a more general analysis that may also include same, it seems that appeal is usually found in a certain balance or blend of individual preference for particular differences and similarities perceived as either complementary to their own, or appreciated for their own unique characteristics.
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    There are certainly certain biological differences that manifest diverse features more prevalent to each respective gender in physicality and overall behavioural inclinations, yet there are so many variations, exceptions and unique traits that may be common to both genders that it is certainly wise to avoid stereotyping any feature as exclusively characteristic of one or the other.
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    For example, many will say women talk more than men, and it may very well be an accurate generalization, yet I know that in my experience, most males in my family usually talk more than the females (not because they don’t have anything to say, certainly not because they’re ignored or shushed by any means, just tending to be more direct and to the point rather than chatty for the most part.)
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    Some aspects of perceived gender trait/characteristics are likely very much cultural and ideological rather than accurate distinctions between the sexes, and some characteristics are purely reflective of human personality as shaped by experience or inherent traits or preferences’ development, so to universally define gender differences by perception and preference accurately is perhaps impossible without excessive qualification and exhaustive comprehensive knowledge of context, exceptions, and possibly myriad other factors.
    Not sure if this is the kind of reply you were hoping for, these thoughts are what came to mind in perusing the post and resulting conversations. Good topic for discussion and consideration

    July 06, 2014
    1. yayuki

      bingo
      This topic is thoughtcatching if you go by the what it driving what, what is dominating what, what is causing what and suddenly realize that the general isn’t general at all, that actually the only general element is physical…. but then again physical there are not only male and female if you take a closer look there are also people born with both or none, now that is regarded as fault because it has been observed to cause trouble for the people like this…but is their trouble actually caused by how they are born or the fact that they are always and everywhere reminded that they are different and the common belief is that being different has more of a negative air attached to it than a positive… that is why people try to call everything regarded as a handicap ‘special’ to avoid the power of words…
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      Now following that thought, if one takes a look at historical and cultural old texts, there are always people mentioned which are male, female, both or nothing… I guess it was this what led Plato ponder on a more philosophical level that people used to be both in the beginning before they were split by what he considered a curse into the more common two physical forms… It is actually quite logical because by both observation and logic people the life and the aim in life of people with another physical form is another…
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      Now in the result what is norm at all? If Plato is right on a more strict thought than the norm is actually the mutation right… Just like in that thought model where the seeing man accidently steps into a tribe of people that are blind, he considers himself to be in the top position but actually all the issues he has to face end up being related to the fact that he can see and they not, now he can’t make them see so they can’t value his ability to see…. well the though model ends up in the blind deciding to be so kind to help him with his terrible disease and surgically correct his mutation…
      .

      July 06, 2014
  6. GoldenPig2012

    No offense, but, yeah. I’m a female, I like males, I have certain definitions of what those two genders are, not that I’m averse to……….changes. I don’t care if girls like girls or boys like boys or either like both, isn’t my business. Gender is a part of the equation, if you don’t identify with either or identify with both, again, I don’t care. We are what we are, go with it, get on with it, don’t worry about others’ opinions or definitions of you, it’s a waste of time and energy, darlin’.

    July 07, 2014
    1. yayuki

      Thank you I try to do that Tolerance is the best approach… I was never interested in what others do in their own universe, or understood why obviously some people care so much about who someone likes, loves, cares for… But for an awful lot of people it is important enough to pressure, push and try to convince people to be different, to fit their expectations and keep their worldview understandable or logical upright.
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      It is always great to hear that people can accept people who are different!
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      It is wonderful to observe that some people are actually able to live the tolerance they speak of!
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      Just can’t help wondering at time why people are always so interested in creating themselves the smallest possible space to dwell in. Why live in a box without windows when you can relax in unlimited space?

      July 08, 2014
      1. GoldenPig2012

        That “box” is a comfort zone, it’s comfortable and familiar and, as humans, different and strange can scare us and that makes us act…………………rudely, with hate, at times. So, leave them with their fear and live your life.

        July 08, 2014
        1. yayuki

          That is for sure the easiest way to live… leaves one to wonder though if nobody ever takes the time to try to change something, if all that understand just keep to themselves and hope for change, if all those who can relate simply ignore the ones who don’t and proclaim change is in the process… Can anyone live without fear at all? .. On the other hand, how does one really reach all that reside in all of these million boxes?

          July 08, 2014
          1. GoldenPig2012

            Oh, don’t think that those in their “comfort zone” don’t think, don’t wonder, that’s disregarding them as some have done you. “Easiest way to live”, well, don’t we all want that? Now, we don’t strive to reach those in their boxes, no, my love, we live and love and laugh and cry and let them do the same thing.

            July 08, 2014
            1. yayuki

              I was not so much thinking along the line of personal good but general good… the outer view…
              No, I don’t think we all want that!
              The best world to live according to the outer view would be the one most benifitial to all, at all times, all circumstances and all situations…
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              Of course the people think and wonder, never said they didn’t… they are completely functional and absolutely real beings… it is all about the thoughts not made yet, the topics not pondered yet, the ideas not considered so far, the possibilities not understood so far, the education not received yet, the pov not taken so far, the fear not conquered until now… That is not disregarding them that is the opposite direction.
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              Who says people can only be comfortable in the box they know?
              Now, that would be disregarding and truely looking down on them…

              July 08, 2014
  7. GoldenPig2012

    yayuki, then we agree.

    July 08, 2014
    1. yayuki

      ok

      July 08, 2014