Did the witness lie? (mind game/ thought model with introduction)

Today people on here seemed to be pondering the topic of lies - maybe even a bit deeper the "untruth" and because one can't ponder untruth without pondering truth, it feels safe to say she had her hand in this as well...

 

Looking for an example and trying to run out the pink elefant so to speak I came up with the following example, and no guys searching for the answer on here will be fruitless because I stopped myself from mentioning the answer in my example, thinking I'd rather turn it into a mindcame a la "figure it out" post.

So please answer the two questions in the mindgame below and if you want more time to think it through you can tell  me, I'll hold the solution, but please don't forget to tell me when you have finished!!!Others are waiting for it...

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Did the witness lie?

 

One night a crime occured and a car left the crime scene. It was seen by a witness, who told the police when asked for the colour of said car: "I saw a red buick. The driver seemed to be in a hurry."

 

Police investigated but nobody else saw a red buick that night even though the streets were illuminated well and the testimony didn't lead anywhere since nobody related to the victim owned a red buick. Actually nobody around the place even owned a red buick.

 

Did the witness lie?

 

Was there a reason for the witness to lie. The witness itself didn't know the victim, wasn't even living in the same district.

 

Now, did the witness lie or not?

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Due to crime scene investigation something was found that led the police to suspect someone. In the follow up investigation of the belongings of said suspect undeniable proof was found that he was indeed the culprit. Furthermore the culprit owned a buick. In the buick police found evidence that this vehicle was used in the crime.

 

Only the buick the police found was white and it was blatantly obvious that the colour hadn't been changed in a long time. Their only witness had reported a red car, though.

 

 

So... what do you think?

 

 

Did the witness lie?

Why?

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Comments (31)

  1. sweetpaws

    many times most investigators will tell you that a witness is not all that reliable even though they were there. The adreniline and shock of the moment mixes what we see. So it was not neccesarily a blatant lie. Nor deception.

    July 30, 2014
    1. yayuki

      ok, that makes sense…
      --
      btw do you have a pic of one of your dogs on your blog somewhere which you especially like? I’d like to draw, sketch a dog for a change and one of yours seems to be a good model, if you are alright with me sketching them that is…I won’t mind if you’d rather not have me post them…

      July 30, 2014
      1. sweetpaws

        I would love that yes I will post one of Fred in my next post I will titile the post For Yayuki

        July 30, 2014
        1. yayuki

          thank you I will look forward to it and hope it will turn out I can draw a dog

          July 30, 2014
  2. mythoughts77

    Sometime we see things but those things were really not what we seen at all.

    July 30, 2014
    1. yayuki

      hm… stay aways from those drugs Jake chuckles nay, I understood, the second meaning just made me chuckle….

      July 31, 2014
  3. dincali

    she could have been color blind.

    July 30, 2014
    1. yayuki

      interesting suggestion, but wouldn’t she have suggested the car was green if that were the case? Colourblind= confusion about green and red

      July 31, 2014
      1. dincali

        she’s was in shock….lol

        July 31, 2014
        1. yayuki

          could be… lol

          August 01, 2014
          1. dincali

            just sayin’ lol

            August 01, 2014
            1. yayuki

              it is possible depnding on waht else happned to the witness on this day, she could be in any state of mind while witnessing….

              August 01, 2014
      2. dincali

        that is so true. also, prior to this incident, she may have had an altercation with a red car, or a person in a red car, and inadvertantly transferred that color in her mind. anything is possible. or like Shine below, i agree with her, the reflection of a red signal light, surely could have altered her perception.

        August 01, 2014
        1. yayuki

          Both good ideas… hm so a traumatic experience with a red car… that would make a great story a la Stephen KIng

          August 02, 2014
          1. dincali

            true. i’d read it

            August 02, 2014
            1. yayuki

              sometimes an idea just clings

              August 02, 2014
          2. dincali

            don’t i know….lol

            August 02, 2014
            1. yayuki

              me,too… lol

              August 03, 2014
  4. shinesweet28

    No… the crime was committed at night… it was a white car probably reflection of the light that the witness thought she saw a red car

    August 01, 2014
    1. yayuki

      good one

      August 01, 2014
  5. wirelessguru1

    Maybe he/she is color blind like you!

    August 01, 2014
    1. yayuki

      colour blind is red/greene related will hardly intefere with perception of white, Spikey

      August 02, 2014
      1. wirelessguru1

        Are you sure?
        Maybe your case is unique! LOL!!!

        August 02, 2014
        1. yayuki

          hm… chuckles LOL

          August 02, 2014
  6. jeffreycraig

    First off; “Lie”…..vs….providing information that is subjective, and therefore available to biases and inaccuracies! Also, it occurred at NIGHT…..and the lights can visually skew the true & actual color [of the vehicle in this case]. 2nd….in the follow-up investigation…a White Buick was located, however…..evidence suggesting it “may” have been used in a crime..doe snot mean it was part of the crime stated in the previous paragraph; hence could be something else altogether. To TEST the accuracy of the “witness” ..it would behoove investigators to go back to the scene of the crime, at the same time of night, under the same conditions, with Buick’s of different colors to test the accuracy of the witnesses ability to identify “colors.” So, to ask IF the witness Lied…is subject to many variables, and LIE suggests “Intent.”

    August 03, 2014
    1. yayuki

      good point, knew all that, too… so what is your opinion, you think it was a lie or not in respect to the information given?

      August 03, 2014
      1. jeffreycraig

        I wouldn’t say LIE, based upon the information presented! The LACK of information leads to speculation! Nothing suggest a reason/motive to “lie” so i say….Not a lie!

        August 03, 2014
        1. yayuki

          I’d agree by your definition of lie it is definitely no lie.

          August 03, 2014
          1. jeffreycraig

            This is why there has been a vast move AWAY from eyewitness testimony’s! People’s recollection and/or accuracy to “describe” is subject to many biases and variables. thnx for the brain-teaser..

            August 03, 2014
            1. yayuki

              thanks for playing

              August 03, 2014
            2. yayuki

              btw… did you try the other one on my blog, too, it’s a series of brain teasers in story mode called “will you press the bottom first(second …)”… nobody figured that one out so far

              August 03, 2014